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		<title>By: Nate</title>
		<link>http://www.chriswalley.net/2009/09/25/on-bad-and-good-art/comment-page-1/#comment-833</link>
		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2010 03:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yet I think my biggest dislike of these paintings is simply that they are not true to the world.&quot;

This is my reaction to Kinkade&#039;s work too. I find them visually disturbing  because &lt;i&gt;real world trees and cottages don&#039;t look like that at all&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s an &#039;uncanny valley&#039; kind of effect - it just feels fake, plastic, distorted, scary. The angles are exaggerated somehow.

It&#039;s not that I dislike &#039;cute&#039; or &#039;twee&#039; or want there to be a shadow - I&#039;m a sucker for kittens, sunsets, and soothing green forests. And it&#039;s certainly not that I&#039;m not nostalgic for older, better times - at some level I am. It&#039;s that Kinkade&#039;s visual universe is a place I really, really don&#039;t want to live, and doesn&#039;t feel home to me.

It feels cluttered and unlivable, &#039;posed&#039; and sculpted rather than laid out naturally. The geometry just feels wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yet I think my biggest dislike of these paintings is simply that they are not true to the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is my reaction to Kinkade&#8217;s work too. I find them visually disturbing  because <i>real world trees and cottages don&#8217;t look like that at all</i>. It&#8217;s an &#8216;uncanny valley&#8217; kind of effect &#8211; it just feels fake, plastic, distorted, scary. The angles are exaggerated somehow.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that I dislike &#8216;cute&#8217; or &#8216;twee&#8217; or want there to be a shadow &#8211; I&#8217;m a sucker for kittens, sunsets, and soothing green forests. And it&#8217;s certainly not that I&#8217;m not nostalgic for older, better times &#8211; at some level I am. It&#8217;s that Kinkade&#8217;s visual universe is a place I really, really don&#8217;t want to live, and doesn&#8217;t feel home to me.</p>
<p>It feels cluttered and unlivable, &#8216;posed&#8217; and sculpted rather than laid out naturally. The geometry just feels wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: John Weaver</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Weaver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,&lt;br /&gt;   Very interesting blog entry. I&#039;m currently writing an essay on the state of the arts in evangelical culture (I&#039;m about 40 pages into it). Basically, I contend that the union of Christian art with worldly populism, through Christian rock, burger king logos, etc. is what ruined any attempt for truly authentic Christian art. To me, the most authentic Christian art out there, believe it or not, is Jack Chick tracts, because of their brutal acceptance of every hard doctrine the Scripture preaches, as well as their tendency to confront (I&#039;d say overconfront) the &quot;world&quot; in everything they put out. But then, I tend to see art as fundamentally destructive, particularly popular art. Peter Watkins, a British film director from the sixties, made a film called Privilege (which you should check out, as it predicts the rise of the Christian rock scene). Watkins thesis is that the government uses popular art as a means of anatheszing the populace and keeping them from making meaningful social changes to the way the world is. So, even though I&#039;m an agnostic, I&#039;ll always respect Chick tracts and A Thief in the Night, for daring to be confrontational in a truly shocking way. I just don&#039;t think Christian fiction or art is going to do this anytime soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Best wishes,&lt;br /&gt;John&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;P.S. I revised my chapter on your books, partly based on your suggestions and my dissertation director&#039;s. It&#039;s almost ready to be published in dissertation form, so let me know if you want me to e-mail you a copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,<br />   Very interesting blog entry. I&#39;m currently writing an essay on the state of the arts in evangelical culture (I&#39;m about 40 pages into it). Basically, I contend that the union of Christian art with worldly populism, through Christian rock, burger king logos, etc. is what ruined any attempt for truly authentic Christian art. To me, the most authentic Christian art out there, believe it or not, is Jack Chick tracts, because of their brutal acceptance of every hard doctrine the Scripture preaches, as well as their tendency to confront (I&#39;d say overconfront) the &quot;world&quot; in everything they put out. But then, I tend to see art as fundamentally destructive, particularly popular art. Peter Watkins, a British film director from the sixties, made a film called Privilege (which you should check out, as it predicts the rise of the Christian rock scene). Watkins thesis is that the government uses popular art as a means of anatheszing the populace and keeping them from making meaningful social changes to the way the world is. So, even though I&#39;m an agnostic, I&#39;ll always respect Chick tracts and A Thief in the Night, for daring to be confrontational in a truly shocking way. I just don&#39;t think Christian fiction or art is going to do this anytime soon.</p>
<p>Best wishes,<br />John</p>
<p>P.S. I revised my chapter on your books, partly based on your suggestions and my dissertation director&#39;s. It&#39;s almost ready to be published in dissertation form, so let me know if you want me to e-mail you a copy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Snipes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Snipes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 16:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Thanks for recovering my original comment) I understand that not everyone will find Kinkades&#039; work to suit their tastes, but isn&#039;t that true for ALL artists? If so, why do we find so many negative discussions about his success?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Thanks for recovering my original comment) I understand that not everyone will find Kinkades&#8217; work to suit their tastes, but isn&#8217;t that true for ALL artists? If so, why do we find so many negative discussions about his success?</p>
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		<title>By: Aranel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aranel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 20:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a friend with a pastoral degree who has been suffering from cancer and bad health for several years now. He and his family love Kinkade&#039;s work. I don&#039;t completely understand why, myself. However, it is event to me from the way he stares at the painting over the fireplace that it communicates comfort to him. (It&#039;s a scene of a sailboat on somewhat rocky waves at sunset) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Personally, I find them a little boring. The bright sunset landscapes remind me of Lisa Frank with a more precise, adult flair. Yet, at the same time, thinking of my friend, I still have a sort of soft spot in my heart for these paintings. So, in the meantime I will remain half-neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a friend with a pastoral degree who has been suffering from cancer and bad health for several years now. He and his family love Kinkade&#39;s work. I don&#39;t completely understand why, myself. However, it is event to me from the way he stares at the painting over the fireplace that it communicates comfort to him. (It&#39;s a scene of a sailboat on somewhat rocky waves at sunset) </p>
<p>Personally, I find them a little boring. The bright sunset landscapes remind me of Lisa Frank with a more precise, adult flair. Yet, at the same time, thinking of my friend, I still have a sort of soft spot in my heart for these paintings. So, in the meantime I will remain half-neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoops! Tony left a comment but I was on my Iphone and I deleted it. Anyway here it is &lt;br /&gt;&quot;I Don&#039;t understand why so many artists tend to give Kincade so much flack about his work, his style and especially his success.&lt;br /&gt;http://artlessonsfromgod.com/&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoops! Tony left a comment but I was on my Iphone and I deleted it. Anyway here it is <br />&quot;I Don&#39;t understand why so many artists tend to give Kincade so much flack about his work, his style and especially his success.<br /><a href="http://artlessonsfromgod.com/&#038;quot" rel="nofollow">http://artlessonsfromgod.com/&#038;quot</a>;</p>
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		<title>By: Zoomie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoomie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been overloaded with Kinkade&#039;s brand in nearly every Christian bookstore, and a good number of general shoppes here in the States, they do get a bit tiresome.  I suppose it I had to criticize them for anything, it&#039;s for lack of creating any real imagination in the viewer.  They are what they are.  Not being a fan of the bulk of modern abstract art - I&#039;ve often said &quot;if it requires too much explanation, it&#039;s not art,&quot;  - I find Kinkade&#039;s things disappointing because they require no explanation at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was further disappointed to find out, courtesy of a TV documentary that his &quot;works&quot;  - or at least those that show up in most shoppes - are often the product of nameless assembly-line artists in a Kinkade factory.  Kinkade will add a few strokes and a signature, and voila!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kinkade&#039;s popularity here seems to come from a mixture of adept marketing - complete with targeted presentations during well-attended conferences of a few completely original works to various Christian celebrities to hang in their ministry offices and headquarters, and a pervasive desire by many of his buyers to have their art do little more than generate some &quot;warm-fuzzies&quot; as they stare into the fairyland scenes he paints.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s sad that Kincaide has penetrated the heart of the Cotswalds.  It&#039;s one thing to buy made-in-China kitsch that&#039;s actually reflects a location, but having made-in-America generic kitsch (some of which may come from China too) filling a shoppe that would better be selling the work of local artists seems an unfortunate symptom of the globalization that&#039;s slowly erasing the uniqueness of the various corners of our world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been overloaded with Kinkade&#39;s brand in nearly every Christian bookstore, and a good number of general shoppes here in the States, they do get a bit tiresome.  I suppose it I had to criticize them for anything, it&#39;s for lack of creating any real imagination in the viewer.  They are what they are.  Not being a fan of the bulk of modern abstract art &#8211; I&#39;ve often said &quot;if it requires too much explanation, it&#39;s not art,&quot;  &#8211; I find Kinkade&#39;s things disappointing because they require no explanation at all.</p>
<p>I was further disappointed to find out, courtesy of a TV documentary that his &quot;works&quot;  &#8211; or at least those that show up in most shoppes &#8211; are often the product of nameless assembly-line artists in a Kinkade factory.  Kinkade will add a few strokes and a signature, and voila!</p>
<p>Kinkade&#39;s popularity here seems to come from a mixture of adept marketing &#8211; complete with targeted presentations during well-attended conferences of a few completely original works to various Christian celebrities to hang in their ministry offices and headquarters, and a pervasive desire by many of his buyers to have their art do little more than generate some &quot;warm-fuzzies&quot; as they stare into the fairyland scenes he paints.</p>
<p>It&#39;s sad that Kincaide has penetrated the heart of the Cotswalds.  It&#39;s one thing to buy made-in-China kitsch that&#39;s actually reflects a location, but having made-in-America generic kitsch (some of which may come from China too) filling a shoppe that would better be selling the work of local artists seems an unfortunate symptom of the globalization that&#39;s slowly erasing the uniqueness of the various corners of our world.</p>
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		<title>By: Boaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 12:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative perspective on a lack of shadows:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I lived for nineteen years in or around Seattle (justly famous for the quantity of cloudy and rainy days, if not for the total quantity of rain that falls), and one thing about a cloudy day is that there are almost no shadows: the light is so diffuse that it &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; come from everywhere. You almost have to look underneath cars to find shadows.  However, that&#039;s because the entire area is already in a shadow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other question I would bring up (more out of questioning assumptions and looking for alternative explanations rather than necessarily defending Mr. Kincaid&#039;s style): in the new Heaven and new Earth, there will be no darkness, no shadow, right?  And if such things look disturbing, perhaps it&#039;s because we prefer (and are certainly more used to) darkness with our light.  This applies to spiritual matters as well (though we wish it wouldn&#039;t), as we&#039;re all fallen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I still love coming to the blog each week, and thank you for continuing it, Dr. Walley!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Boaz, now in Austin, TX</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative perspective on a lack of shadows:</p>
<p>I lived for nineteen years in or around Seattle (justly famous for the quantity of cloudy and rainy days, if not for the total quantity of rain that falls), and one thing about a cloudy day is that there are almost no shadows: the light is so diffuse that it <i>does</i> come from everywhere. You almost have to look underneath cars to find shadows.  However, that&#39;s because the entire area is already in a shadow.</p>
<p>The other question I would bring up (more out of questioning assumptions and looking for alternative explanations rather than necessarily defending Mr. Kincaid&#39;s style): in the new Heaven and new Earth, there will be no darkness, no shadow, right?  And if such things look disturbing, perhaps it&#39;s because we prefer (and are certainly more used to) darkness with our light.  This applies to spiritual matters as well (though we wish it wouldn&#39;t), as we&#39;re all fallen.</p>
<p>I still love coming to the blog each week, and thank you for continuing it, Dr. Walley!</p>
<p>Boaz, now in Austin, TX</p>
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		<title>By: Kirsty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirsty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Light loses its impact when it shines from &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; window.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The same pictures with only one or two lights on, while maybe not &#039;good art&#039; would not be so annoying (maybe).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything actually wrong with twee paintings - even if they&#039;re not to my taste. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, there is a problem when people think they are inherently more Christian or spiritual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light loses its impact when it shines from <i>every</i> window.</p>
<p>The same pictures with only one or two lights on, while maybe not &#39;good art&#39; would not be so annoying (maybe).</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think there&#39;s anything actually wrong with twee paintings &#8211; even if they&#39;re not to my taste. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. However, there is a problem when people think they are inherently more Christian or spiritual.</p>
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